We sit down with Lucian Tarnowski, founder of United Planet, to explore one of the most important questions of our time: What does it take to shift from a dystopian worldview into a lived experience of possibility?

Lucian argues that belief is a form of technology — and right now, humanity is being “conquered by dystopia.” Our collective pessimism feeds back into the systems we build. To change the future, we must change the story.

We talk about:

– Why “the enemy is apathy in possibility”

– How narratives and myth shape the worlds we create

– The UP Games and why immersive experiences unlock collective intelligence

– Planetary identity, acupuncture points, and the role of Ibiza

– What ancient wisdom and indigenous traditions teach about this moment

– The rise of Gaia AI and the role of augmented intelligence

– How we move beyond the constraints of the nation-state

– Why the next decade may offer the greatest civilizational pivot in human history

This episode blends personal story, deep systems thinking, indigenous insight, and grounded optimism about the future we are capable of choosing.

Hosted by Alex de Carvalho and Rudy de Waele, Voices of Emergence brings together thinkers, builders, and creators exploring how new systems of meaning, leadership, and regeneration are emerging through us: voicesofemergence.com

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